tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post6240922217061176226..comments2024-01-20T16:39:42.179+11:00Comments on PhyloBotanist: Consciousness raiser: Things versus processesAlex SLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00801894164903608204noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-76414052759451841422013-09-30T17:06:42.012+10:002013-09-30T17:06:42.012+10:00Oh good. I haven't read it for years, but have...Oh good. I haven't read it for years, but have been thinking about it in relation to the Turing test. Last novel I bought was The Comforters about a woman who begins to realise she's in a novel, but I'e got some others to read first!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-11414147235031027432013-09-30T10:45:52.926+10:002013-09-30T10:45:52.926+10:00Funny you should mention that book because I bough...Funny you should mention that book because I bought it two days ago. One of many classics I have not read yet in the original.Alex SLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801894164903608204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-67384456946116108212013-09-30T02:28:05.432+10:002013-09-30T02:28:05.432+10:00Probably not! The survival of the personality seem...Probably not! The survival of the personality seems very remote to me, but AI via robotics in some form less distant. If the mind is pretty much the body thinking, the less like us the robot is, the less like us the personality, perhaps? Frankenstein should still be the first point of reference, not full steam ahead.<br />But I do think that in order to maintain our sanity, we humans (me) need to deliberately confuse the issue and view our self as more of a thing than the process(es) it really is.<br />Although the science goes over my head, I do like the common sense approach in your blog.<br />Thanks! PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-76199098068511539012013-09-30T00:08:39.769+10:002013-09-30T00:08:39.769+10:00I think we are not actually disagreeing on anythin...I think we are not actually disagreeing on anything of substance.Alex SLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801894164903608204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-72898680096555842762013-09-29T21:16:26.445+10:002013-09-29T21:16:26.445+10:00I thought you were making the same point as the co...I thought you were making the same point as the comic. What I take issue with is your resort to the "complete bollocks" rationale, which makes you no better than Massimo http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/calculating-god.html <br />What we are talking about is nearer the book but with consciousness.<br />If immediately following the "mind transfer" in this hypothetical operation, the original you suffered brain damage, your family might regard the copy as containing more of the recognisable you than the original you. Indeed, the copy you would also consider that their personality had survived the crash. The engineer's view (and I've got to be a bit careful considering your area of expertise) may not be the one acceptable to the family.<br />However, to make it harder, 100 copies were made in the hospital, each of which independently feels that they are the survived personality. Now there is no common-sense solution either for the family or the divergent "you"s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-56939379523642650062013-09-29T19:20:33.130+10:002013-09-29T19:20:33.130+10:00http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1879
I think I am ...http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1879<br /><br />I think I am not making any grandiose claims here. If a transhumanist is happy with the idea of a copy of themselves surviving then so be it, but I fail to see how that is any more immortalizing than a book that they wrote surviving. In addition, of course, I consider such technology to be highly implausible, but that is another matter.Alex SLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801894164903608204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-1007412139177459892013-09-29T16:30:10.501+10:002013-09-29T16:30:10.501+10:00You're assuming that there is an essential &qu...You're assuming that there is an essential "me" and that your past self is more than a memory. Let's say you're in a terrible car accident (which is odd, considering by then all cars are 100% safe self-driving ones) and you wake up in a hospital bed to find that you've largely been rebuilt with robotic parts - and you wake up in another hospital bed to find that apart from some scarring you're pretty much all there. Which is you and which is the copy? The implausible technology is particularly good, by the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-8577359881485774572013-09-29T11:51:14.277+10:002013-09-29T11:51:14.277+10:00I don't doubt that some implausible technology...I don't doubt that some implausible technology permitting a copy of me would feel that it were a copy of me. The point is it would not be me but a copy!Alex SLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00801894164903608204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3342041114052632712.post-53576651667409946342013-09-28T21:15:29.318+10:002013-09-28T21:15:29.318+10:00I think this is why the more AI seeks to emulate h...I think this is why the more AI seeks to emulate humans, the more it has to be about robotics, so the human you are aiming at is paralysed and assisted by technology to recover senses and movement. However, I feel you're mistaken in assuming the self is any more than a process. So a copy of your self would continue on its own diverging path. You would both share the same past and both would feel like "you" in the future. Although different, both would feel that they were the real you. Technology permitting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com